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Jul 27, 2008 16:20:36 GMT -8
Post by Hook on Jul 27, 2008 16:20:36 GMT -8
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Jul 27, 2008 16:49:42 GMT -8
Post by Hermione on Jul 27, 2008 16:49:42 GMT -8
HAHAHA, that cracked me up!
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Jul 27, 2008 17:07:12 GMT -8
Post by cheno on Jul 27, 2008 17:07:12 GMT -8
What an incredibly awful trailer.
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Jul 27, 2008 17:11:33 GMT -8
Post by Armin on Jul 27, 2008 17:11:33 GMT -8
That's pretty funny. It's amazing how "cinematic" a life can be when you put it on film...
On the other side, I'm a bit worried about these kinds of movies (not just this one). People already start believing that "historic" movies are actually historically accurate, and with society going towards believe-what's-on-TV in the not too far distance people will actually think this is how it was.
Always remember, about 2000 years some rather smart and inspired people wrote a book about the son of God 1000 years they started killing all over the place in that book's name, and 2000 years later a large percentage of the population still based, sometimes ludicrous, decisions on it. Scary...
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Jul 27, 2008 17:23:51 GMT -8
Post by indy2003 on Jul 27, 2008 17:23:51 GMT -8
Um... I thought it was common knowledge that Oliver Stone actually is living in an alternate dimension. After all, this is fellow that insists Franklin J. Schaffner's "Patton" is responsible for Vietnam... That said, I like his politically-driven conspiracy theory stuff like "JFK" and "Nixon" as cinematic experiences, if not as historical documents. Back at ya later
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Jul 27, 2008 17:34:40 GMT -8
Post by franzridesagain on Jul 27, 2008 17:34:40 GMT -8
Um... I thought it was common knowledge that Oliver Stone actually is living in an alternate dimension. After all, this is fellow that insists Franklin J. Schaffner's "Patton" is responsible for Vietnam... The argument goes that Nixon was inspired after seeing it (we know he was), and that it may have tipped the balance in terms of the bravado with which he decided to bomb Cambodia. It's certainly possible, as I've seen the film taken both as a pro-war story and as an anti-war story, and it has more to do with how the viewer feels about Patton. (Though to hear Jerry Goldsmith tell it, he was one of the handful working on the film that felt it should be treated as anti-war.) Where Stone messes up is that he goes on to say that the film should never have been made since it only inspired carnage on a mass level. Well, no, because it's inspired a lot more than that, it didn't put the idea in Nixon's head, the evidence is pretty scant, and didn't you direct a film called NATURAL BORN KILLERS by the way?
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Jul 27, 2008 19:08:00 GMT -8
Post by indy2003 on Jul 27, 2008 19:08:00 GMT -8
Um... I thought it was common knowledge that Oliver Stone actually is living in an alternate dimension. After all, this is fellow that insists Franklin J. Schaffner's "Patton" is responsible for Vietnam... The argument goes that Nixon was inspired after seeing it (we know he was), and that it may have tipped the balance in terms of the bravado with which he decided to bomb Cambodia. It's certainly possible, as I've seen the film taken both as a pro-war story and as an anti-war story, and it has more to do with how the viewer feels about Patton. (Though to hear Jerry Goldsmith tell it, he was one of the handful working on the film that felt it should be treated as anti-war.) Where Stone messes up is that he goes on to say that the film should never have been made since it only inspired carnage on a mass level. Well, no, because it's inspired a lot more than that, it didn't put the idea in Nixon's head, the evidence is pretty scant, and didn't you direct a film called NATURAL BORN KILLERS by the way? Thanks for the clarification... I was making a fairly broad generalization based on vague memories of the extras on the "Patton" DVD... Back at ya later
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Jul 27, 2008 19:10:40 GMT -8
Post by franzridesagain on Jul 27, 2008 19:10:40 GMT -8
Yeah, I was surprised they included him on the DVD. He's probably the most famous person to make the allegation, but he's not the best frontman to explain it. After JFK and NIXON, he's not the most credible historian, by his own admission.
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Jul 27, 2008 19:14:29 GMT -8
Post by franzridesagain on Jul 27, 2008 19:14:29 GMT -8
On the other side, I'm a bit worried about these kinds of movies (not just this one). People already start believing that "historic" movies are actually historically accurate, and with society going towards believe-what's-on-TV in the not too far distance people will actually think this is how it was. Always remember, about 2000 years some rather smart and inspired people wrote a book about the son of God 1000 years they started killing all over the place in that book's name, and 2000 years later a large percentage of the population still based, sometimes ludicrous, decisions on it. Scary... Hopefully future historians will take to heart the warning about 'fictional representation' and 'resemblance to persons living or dead'. Had they ever found a similar apologia tag on the Bible, you can be sure it's days as an inspiring text would be swiftly numbered. Having said that, JFK is certainly believed uncritically by many who saw it, so perhaps you're more right than I want to know.
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Jul 27, 2008 19:39:28 GMT -8
Post by Armin on Jul 27, 2008 19:39:28 GMT -8
If for nothing else, Galaxy Quest was an eye-opening experience just for taking up this thematic...
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Jul 27, 2008 19:45:16 GMT -8
Post by Jens Dietrich on Jul 27, 2008 19:45:16 GMT -8
You needed Galaxy Quest to teach you about the difference between fact and fiction?
Jesus.
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Jul 27, 2008 20:38:10 GMT -8
Post by muckle dabuckle on Jul 27, 2008 20:38:10 GMT -8
Oliver Stone is Uwe Boll with a bigger budget. You needed Galaxy Quest to teach you about the difference between fact and fiction? I actually watch Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction hosted by Jonathan Frakes to spell stuff out for me.
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Jul 27, 2008 20:45:09 GMT -8
Post by franzridesagain on Jul 27, 2008 20:45:09 GMT -8
I'm always amazed at Frakes's ability to see the truth beyond the legend in that show.
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Jul 28, 2008 6:36:45 GMT -8
Post by indy2003 on Jul 28, 2008 6:36:45 GMT -8
That's pretty funny. It's amazing how "cinematic" a life can be when you put it on film... On the other side, I'm a bit worried about these kinds of movies (not just this one). People already start believing that "historic" movies are actually historically accurate, and with society going towards believe-what's-on-TV in the not too far distance people will actually think this is how it was. Mike Judge's "Idiocracy" was centered on an idea along these lines, taken to a bizarre (but frighteningly logical) extreme. Back at ya later
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Jul 28, 2008 9:00:31 GMT -8
Post by muckle dabuckle on Jul 28, 2008 9:00:31 GMT -8
I get all of my important life information from Beavis and Butthead.
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