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Post by Chris Tilton on Jun 11, 2008 13:52:33 GMT -8
"Epic Fail" died last year. Stop using it!
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Post by General Silliness on Jun 11, 2008 15:01:43 GMT -8
the new term is "nuked the fridge" its official.
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Post by Jens Dietrich on Jun 11, 2008 18:41:55 GMT -8
That's fantastic, Silliness.
"They really nuked the fridge with this one."
It's up there with "vistaster"!
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Post by Hook on Jun 11, 2008 21:44:37 GMT -8
I liked the movie. Really, I did, but I have to concede this is nowhere near close to the level of greatness the previous three (all three, I love Temple of Doom) achieved. Once I came to terms with the fact that this wasn't going to be a classic Indy movie, I enjoyed it a whole bunch, in spite of the screenplay's problems. But as a fanboy, I do have some serious complaints.
-The beginning of the film. So yeah, the Paramount logo dissolves into a heap of dirt instead of a mountain and there's gopher humor that, while not annoying, is not that funny, and yes, Indy survives a nuclear blast, but those are not my chief complaints. My beef is that the film broke with tradition. All three previous films (and I believe the Young Indy series, too) begin with a scene mostly unrelated to the main plot (save for a character here and there) to set the mood, as in a James Bond movie. Why are we rushing things with the Russians, then? I want to see Indy recovering a not-so-important artifact that belongs in a museum, dammit!
-The comedy pales in comparison to any of the other films. I merely chuckled when Mutt throws Indy a snake as a rope and when a student asks Indy for pointers during the bike chase. Eh, it's okay, but not even one "No ticket"?.
-The painful ways they try to associate Mutt as the legatee of the Indy name. Starting with the name. Mutt, as in Indiana, as in "You're named after the dog?". Haha, real clever, Lucas.
-Way too many special effects sequences. It has nothing to do with their being done with CG, but with their design. The fridge being nuked is going to look cartoony no matter how it's done, because the idea of watching someone survive a blast inside a fridge, and tracking the fridge shot for shot is going to look silly no matter what, because it's cartoony in spirit. Same goes for Mutt swinging with vines and most of the jungle chase. The really well done CG can be seen when the crew falls from the waterfalls, which is basically a redoing of a similar scene in Temple of Doom. An unfortunate casualty and an exception to this is the warehouse being populated by CG boxes. Why not shoot at an actual warehouse entrance? Oh, I know why. Because it's cheaper to film in a studio and match the lights on set with a fake outdoors and then match the fake outdoors with the fake indoors.
-It may be just me, but I thought Harrison Ford was busy switching between acting much too dopey and gruff for the first half of the film. Indy can get snarky, but here he was far less witty and charming until Marion arrived on screen.
-I hated the test site location because the filmmakers did a great job at matching the movie's look with the trilogy and that scene provides a stark, jarring contrast with the classic look, instead producing a sudden palette of disgusting pastel colors. Ew.
-I would have preferred nixing the Mac character and making Ian Holm into a sane human being from the beginning.
- The film ends with a fucking wedding. Enough said.
But in all honesty, just watching Cate Blanchett, Harrison Ford, and the fan-freaking-tastic alien vibe with the awesome alien theme are more than enough reasons to watch (and like) this installment in the Indy series.
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Post by chollman on Jun 12, 2008 5:49:10 GMT -8
I don't remember a time when I laughed harder at a movie (aside from the first viewing of Superbad, perhaps) than when Mutt is throwing the snake at Indy. Holy Hell that was funny. ;D
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Post by Kevin Smith on Jun 12, 2008 15:39:58 GMT -8
Seriously, what kind of a name is Mutt? Why not Gromit instead? Or Campbell.
Campbell Williams is an amazing name.
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Post by General Silliness on Jun 12, 2008 15:43:34 GMT -8
Seriously, what kind of a name is Mutt? Why not Gromit instead? Or Campbell. Campbell Williams is an amazing name. frank darabonts script is online.amazing how much of it is left in the final movie-but more amzing how much it as watered down until all what was good died.
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Post by franzridesagain on Jun 12, 2008 15:58:45 GMT -8
The Darabont script is definitely an improvement, though the scene where Indy is swallowed by a giant snake and cuts his way out seems like it would've fitted in nicely with some of the film's more average scenes.
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Post by Hook on Jun 12, 2008 16:03:39 GMT -8
Where can I see the Darabont screenplay? And, for that matter, where is a good place to download (real) final versions of screenplays?
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Post by General Silliness on Jun 12, 2008 16:06:40 GMT -8
The Darabont script is definitely an improvement, though the scene where Indy is swallowed by a giant snake and cuts his way out seems like it would've fitted in nicely with some of the film's more average scenes. right, that was weird.but the whole ending is so much better in the old version.
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Post by General Silliness on Jun 12, 2008 16:20:13 GMT -8
Where can I see the Darabont screenplay? And, for that matter, where is a good place to download (real) final versions of screenplays? there are several places, google will help.found camerons old spiderman script-much bigger showdown but dr.octopus was an major a-hole.dissapointing and his avatar scriptment with almost nodialogue but detailed descretion of everything.he had all of those sfx in mind while he wrote it, its basicly quigley down under in space but with incredible landscapes and creatures and hard-to imagine battlescenes in the last third.well, in 1,5 years we´ll know more, iguess a teaser will be out this xmas.
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Post by Kevin Smith on Jun 12, 2008 17:12:23 GMT -8
Or Jocko Williams...
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Post by Jens Dietrich on Jun 12, 2008 21:31:41 GMT -8
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Post by Jens Dietrich on Jun 13, 2008 17:34:35 GMT -8
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Post by Hook on Jun 18, 2008 9:43:56 GMT -8
Okay, I read it (the screenplay, not the creepy fanfic). First, if it weren't for Paramount single-handedly shutting down websites that host the PDF, I would venture a guess that it may be a fake because of the swearing and tons of spelling mistakes. Guess I'd be wrong. But I read it and, frankly, it's not a huge step forward compared to Kingdom of Crystal Skull. The humor, the cuts, the opening action sequence and the wedding I would have loved to see on film, but alas. The villains, on the other hand, are too confusing in number and not that interesting or appealing as Irina was, the clock tower fight seems a little too far fetched, even for Indy standards (no University is going to be host to that complex of an apparatus), same goes for the plane showdown; the alien theme is poured down in a couple of minutes, without any hints whatsoever to clue us in for about 2 hours of film; and a lot of the lines seem to be composed of "Wink, wink! Remember Raiders? Yup, just like in Raiders!".
But, yeah. Indy avoiding jet engines. That's freakin' awesome.
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