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Post by Jens Dietrich on May 25, 2008 15:01:21 GMT -8
agreed but not with williams comments. Are you saying that Williams is not the man?
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Post by General Silliness on May 25, 2008 15:03:44 GMT -8
williams is not the man and the score wasn´t that forgettable.maybe i see to much movies with MV score lately..
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Post by Jens Dietrich on May 25, 2008 15:10:14 GMT -8
It was certainly forgettable compared to the classic Indy scores. But I guess we've lowered our standards these days for anything that isn't MV.
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Post by cheno on May 25, 2008 16:14:15 GMT -8
And complaining about the native people staying in an alcove for all that time while The Last Crusade featured a man that lived in an alcove for 700 years seems a bit silly.
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Post by General Silliness on May 25, 2008 16:27:42 GMT -8
And complaining about the native people staying in an alcove for all that time while The Last Crusade featured a man that lived in an alcove for 700 years seems a bit silly. .there is some strange lucas black magic at work that prevents people from seeing the truth.some are immune to it.
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Post by Jockolantern on May 25, 2008 16:36:51 GMT -8
It's funny how with all the flack we give each other (and have even in this thread) we are in such utter and complete agreement about this one. I swear... Every. Single. Word. It would seem as though hell has finally frozen over... Every. Square. Inch. Here's another big gripe about the movie: Why on earth didn't Indy use his whip or revolver?! I can't remember a single time he used the latter and only once can I recall him using the former? Its his iconic weapon, for crying out loud!
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Post by Jockolantern on May 25, 2008 16:40:23 GMT -8
And complaining about the native people staying in an alcove for all that time while The Last Crusade featured a man that lived in an alcove for 700 years seems a bit silly. Yes, but that knight was able to live that long thanks to the life-giving properties of the water he drank from the Holy Grail. I still can't find a reasonable way to explain how dozens of tribal warriors living in earthen ceiling alcoves didn't die of either dehydration or starvation. Perhaps they have nothing better to do but eat/drink a couple times each day and then crawl back into their hidey-holes, waiting for an intruder.
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Post by General Silliness on May 25, 2008 16:48:09 GMT -8
And complaining about the native people staying in an alcove for all that time while The Last Crusade featured a man that lived in an alcove for 700 years seems a bit silly. Yes, but that knight was able to live that long thanks to the life-giving properties of the water he drank from the Holy Grail. I still can't find a reasonable way to explain how dozens of tribal warriors living in earthen ceiling alcoves didn't die of either dehydration or starvation. Perhaps they have nothing better to do but eat/drink a couples time a day and then crawl back into their hidey-holes, waiting for an intruder. they propably have internet in there.
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Post by Jens Dietrich on May 25, 2008 17:35:44 GMT -8
And complaining about the native people staying in an alcove for all that time while The Last Crusade featured a man that lived in an alcove for 700 years seems a bit silly. You're just deliberately trying to make an ass of yourself now, aren't you?
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Post by cheno on May 25, 2008 22:15:13 GMT -8
And complaining about the native people staying in an alcove for all that time while The Last Crusade featured a man that lived in an alcove for 700 years seems a bit silly. You're just deliberately trying to make an ass of yourself now, aren't you? Good comeback. Quite mature.
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Post by Jens Dietrich on May 25, 2008 23:31:47 GMT -8
Jocko's already explained in detail why your comment is obviously idiotic, which leads me only to question whether you're just pretending to be stupid to get a rise out of me. At this point that seems increasingly likely.
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Post by Brendan Anderson on May 26, 2008 6:02:07 GMT -8
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Post by Jens Dietrich on May 26, 2008 8:53:31 GMT -8
I think all Cheno is trying to say relates to the lame farside story I keep telling. Gary Larson kept getting hate mail for one of his cartoons depicting a male mosquito coming home from work. The hate mail kept bitching that it is the female misquito that does all the work in real life. But, none of the letters bitched about the mosquitos living in a house, wearing clothes, speaking english, etc, etc. No. What Cheno is doing is equating something that makes perfect sense in established Indiana Jones lore with something that is inexplicable, random and illogical. Just because a movie contains fantastical elements doesn't mean that ALL logic, continuity and sense should go out of the window. If you do that, you've got yourself a Steven Sommers movie. "Well, of course Rick can outrun sunlight, it's hardly any less believable than the presence of ancient mummies or 100k-strong armies that appear out of nowhere." My point is this: Even movies that are pure fantasy need to establish a set of hard and fast rules by which their specific world operates AND STICK TO IT. Otherwise, what's the point? Why not give Indy magic powers and have him fight an evil robotic Gary Larson and his swarm of male, talking killer mosquitos? Why not do Indy in cyberspace or time-traveling Indy? Why not have Indy team up with Dog the Bounty Hunter on a quest to track down Zombie Ronald Reagan? Why the hell not? I despise how that Gary Larson story has turned into a blanket response to anyone questioning anything in a piece of fiction. It's bullshit and you know it.
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Post by indy2003 on May 26, 2008 10:47:39 GMT -8
Let me just say this on the subject of believability in the Indiana Jones films... I think there's an enormous difference between what Steven Sommers was attempting with his "outrunning the sun" scene and what Spielberg was attempting to do with this Indy film. Sommers intended that scene as a supposedly exciting action sequence, but it was undercut by the sheer ridiculousness of the whole situation.
The ridiculous nature of the Indiana Jones scenes that no one likes were the entire point of those scenes. I found the idea that Indy could survive that nuclear blast and those three waterfalls immensely amusing. It was Spielberg's way of reminding us that the series is rooted in old B-movies, where heroes would inexplicably survive situations that would kill you or I. When I went online afterwards and checked out all the messageboard chatter here and elsewhere, I was quite surprised to see how angry everyone was about these scenes. Jens, you have a point about certain ground rules needing to be established even within the realm of fantasy, but I honestly don't think these scenes went much further than, say, the aforementioned cliff drop in "Last Crusade", or the preposterous flight from an airplane to the ground in an inflatable raft (which then went over a cliff and into some rapids) in "Temple of Doom". When watching those movies, I found those particular scenes to be quite funny. Apparently everyone else had been taking them seriously all this time? It's one of the long-running gags of the series... Indy somehow has an ability to squirm out of any situation, no matter what the odds or logic would suggest. Now, if you don't like those elements of the other movies, either, then that's an entirely different argument. But I find it a tad hypocritical to suggest that the other films did everything right that "Crystal Skull" did wrong.
I'm not going to claim that "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" is without flaws. I'd certainly get rid of the CGI groundhogs, first and foremost. That opening shot was cute, but it should have stopped right there. But I really don't think that this film has broken any serious "rules" of the series. Aliens? I buy that just as much as I buy the angel of death appearing at the end of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" and melting some Nazis. Again, if you just find all of this stuff to be ridiculous, I can respect that. I'm just trying to make the point that there is not some vast drop in credibility between the other three films and this one.
Back at ya later
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Post by cheno on May 26, 2008 11:08:05 GMT -8
Amen, Clark. And yeah, I can't believe I forgot the raft falling out of an airplane. Loved that scene.
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