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Post by Jens Dietrich on May 24, 2008 0:24:51 GMT -8
So... what I'm getting is that the reason why this fourth movie isn't as believable a film is because it has the wrong kind of supernatural elements? Since when do aliens count as supernatural? If you are indeed so deluded as to accept the existence of aliens, wouldn't that make them natural? Aliens are sci-fi, not fantasy. And no tree was shown in the film. He just falls off the cliff and up he comes. Good as new. As I said, it's been a long time since I've seen it. As for the special standards, I think I'll just let your words speak for themselves... I still have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. You're making it sound like I'm expecting some sort of special treatment, which is ridiculous. I speak my mind, is all.
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Post by Jens Dietrich on May 24, 2008 13:26:19 GMT -8
Just saw the movie. Hmmmmm......are George Lucas and Spielberg special friends with Chris Carter of X-files fame? Because they stole the end of Indy 4 directly from the first X-files movie. The ending also took me out of the 1957 feel and right into the 21st century. No shit. It felt like a Sci-Fi Original movie with Indiana Jones scribbled in at the last moment.
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Post by Brendan Anderson on May 24, 2008 14:19:35 GMT -8
I think it goes back to one thing with Spielberg: he needs to STOP SHOWING THE ALIENS!!!!! All of his recent films would be so much better if he would leave some element of mystery to the aliens: A.I., War of the Worlds, the extended Close Encounters and now Indy 4 would have all been greater films without the alien reveal at the end. The problem is that he's a great story-teller and ends up building so much anticipation for the aliens at the end that no amount of flashy CGI or script-writing can introduce an actual alien that lives up to the anticipation. So why show them at all?
A.I. should have ended with David simply freezing to death looking for the blue fairy, War of the Worlds should have ended with the tripods collapsing/exploding but without the army opening the door, Close Encounters should have ended with simply the bright light of the spaceship door opening and Indy 4 should have ended with beams coming from the motionless crystal skeletons simply killing Cate Blanchet instead of morphing into one real-live alien.
In conclusion, the only alien Spielberg should have ever shown on the screen is E.T. The rest have been mistakes. ;D
-Brendan
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Post by cheno on May 24, 2008 14:24:08 GMT -8
Well Brendan remember that the aliens in War of the Worlds were revealed in the Tim Robbins scene somewhere around the middle of the film.
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Post by Brendan Anderson on May 24, 2008 14:54:15 GMT -8
Well Brendan remember that the aliens in War of the Worlds were revealed in the Tim Robbins scene somewhere around the middle of the film. It was a mistake there too. Let me repeat: E.T. is the only alien that should have appeared on screen in the nude. -Brendan p.s. what.
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Post by Michael Arlidge on May 24, 2008 17:23:34 GMT -8
Also, does anyone know who the stunt coordinator was? Gary Powell. Looking through his list of credits, he was definitely qualified for the Indy gig: www.imdb.com/name/nm0694120/
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Post by indy2003 on May 24, 2008 18:06:06 GMT -8
And what was the deal with the swearing? I mean, shit. What are you talking about? There was a bit of swearing here and there... um... just like the other movies. The website "Plugged In Online" (a Christian/family review site that examines all the sexual/violent/language content in movies) has this to say on the matter: "Mutt uses the s-word twice. God's name is exclaimed a half-dozen times. Other swear words, such as "d--n," "h---," "b--ch" and "bloody" are sprinkled in between." That doesn't seem significantly different than the other movies in the series. If you're talking specifically about "shit", recall the scene on the bridge in "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom". Back at ya later
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Post by Jens Dietrich on May 24, 2008 19:44:57 GMT -8
It's like they were trying to make the Mutt character superficially cool/tough by making his character say shit a lot. Stupid. That, quite honestly, is the least of the films problems.
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Post by Jockolantern on May 25, 2008 1:10:14 GMT -8
Saw the film this afternoon and am still in utterly depressed shock as to how bad it was. Harrison Ford was completely out of Indy character, the aliens were cool as skeletons but dumb looking when Spielberg, once again, decided to mash them all together into one cliché creature, the "family" aspects of the film were about as banal and pointless as I was dreading and there isn't a single moment of real danger in the film; all the excitement of the action scenes of the original series were built around real, credible danger. In Crystal Skull, all of it feels academic and merely a means to an [as Jens appropriately described it, very bad Sci-Fi original movie-esque] end. Like Muckle, I too couldn't help but think that Mother Brain was just waiting to spring out at any moment in time from the trans-dimensional vortex. What a load of poppycock. Additionally, the opening ten-fifteen minutes were so ludicrous I thought about slapping myself to make sure I wasn't dreaming up all the moronicy myself... Getting thrown hundreds of feet in the air in a refridgerator and coming out completely fine, no broken bones, no soreness... nothing? I'm sorry but even my suspension of disbelief for Indiana Jones only goes so far. I blame David Koepp, first and foremost. For its many faults, even George Lucas' Star Wars prequels writing never felt this... forced and uneven. Koepp's script simply tries too hard to be funny and never succeeds. The one-liners are forced and unfunny, Marian's inclusion is inexplicablely pointless and the evolution of her "romance" with Indy makes just about no sense, and the overall plotline having to to do with chasing the location of the "aliens" had me lost the entire picture. Not even Spielberg's direction or Kahn's editing could save such incoherency. Shockingly enough, the film actually made me wish Harrison Ford would drop off and let Mutt take his place; that's not something I want to be saying! Quite honestly, LeBeouf was far more entertaining and engaging as Mutt than Ford was as Indiana... I actually thought Shia was the second best thing to come out of the film, behind Cate Blanchett's wonderfully attractive villainy. Harrison sadly came across as though he wasn't having a single ounce of fun the entire picture. An astoundingly out-of-character, disappointing failure. It can never be part of the official Indiana Jones canon for me. If nothing else, Crystal Skull will prove to Temple of Doom haters what a masterpiece of movie-making the latter is by comparison. On a positive note, Williams' score was quite good and the material missing from the album wasn't quite as essential or desirable as I had anticipated. The album we have is quite good, I think, although a complete release one day would certainly be a welcome thing; there are some missing action cues which are excellent. -Jockolantern
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Post by Jens Dietrich on May 25, 2008 7:51:12 GMT -8
It's funny how with all the flack we give each other (and have even in this thread) we are in such utter and complete agreement about this one. I swear... Every. Single. Word.
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Post by Jens Dietrich on May 25, 2008 9:29:01 GMT -8
Hmmmm.....I guess I'm the only one who enjoyed the beginning of the movie and hated the end. It seems to be the other way round for most people. I hated all parts of this movie equally. I'm tired of hearing the bitching about Indy surviving the atomic bomb. Hello! There was a label on the fridge that said, "lead lined." The lead lining's not the issue. The issue is the fridge being thrown clear for at least a mile and Indy suffering no injuries, then getting out and viewing the mushroom cloud from a decidedly unsafe distance. Sure it's a very iconic shot, but it's just... so... stupid. I fully expected the following scenes to be him dying of radiation poisoning.
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Post by Jens Dietrich on May 25, 2008 9:44:17 GMT -8
Dude! They took care of that by hosing him down in the decontamination chamber. Those crazy guys think of everything. Lol. That scene was like something straight out of The Simpsons. Indiana might as well have been glowing green at that point.
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Post by Jens Dietrich on May 25, 2008 13:36:30 GMT -8
Muckle, I'm very sorry to hear you lost your job. Good luck moving on to better pastures soon.
Indy dying would make me happy only if it wasn't a totally transparent pretense of bringing in Shia, i.e. I'd only accept Indy's death AFTER Mutt's death.
Also, you're not just taking out your aggression on Indy 4. it is a genuinely terrible film.
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Post by Jens Dietrich on May 25, 2008 14:19:27 GMT -8
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Post by General Silliness on May 25, 2008 14:58:59 GMT -8
agreed but not with williams comments.but compared with the first three scores ts a mess.great for nowadys standards.and the review needs one long loud fart.Lucas should bring back Howard the Duck.Epic Howard the Duck Trilogy.
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