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Post by Jens Dietrich on Mar 17, 2005 11:22:58 GMT -8
Pfft. What's the point of an afterthought if I have to bury it in my original post? Just for the sake of bumping an afterthought up as a new post you would anger me, the Lord thy God? Remember the sixth commandment: THOU SHALT NOT POST DOUBLE THY INANE THOUGHTS! (From the Book of Jens 4:13)
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Post by Mr. E on Mar 17, 2005 11:46:53 GMT -8
Just for the sake of bumping an afterthought up as a new post you would anger me, the Lord thy God? Remember the sixth commandment: THOU SHALT NOT POST DOUBLE THY INANE THOUGHTS! (From the Book of Jens 4:13) "And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass..." : Numbers 22:28
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Post by Jens Dietrich on Mar 17, 2005 11:48:33 GMT -8
"And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass..." : Numbers 22:28 Book of Jim Carrey, isn't it?
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Post by Mr. E on Mar 17, 2005 12:00:26 GMT -8
Book of Jim Carrey, isn't it? Yes, the "other J.C." as we like to call him.
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Post by Jens Dietrich on Mar 17, 2005 12:05:57 GMT -8
Yes, the "other J.C." as we like to call him. If only my favorite composer's name was "Coldsmith", there'd be comedy gold in this thread.
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Post by Mr. E on Mar 17, 2005 12:18:53 GMT -8
If only my favorite composer's name was "Coldsmith", there'd be comedy gold in this thread. Yes. Yes there would. Afterthought (in the same post...aren't you proud of me?) : James Corner sounds funny. So does John Chilliams. But not as funny as Jonathan Coxton.
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Post by Jens Dietrich on Mar 17, 2005 12:24:43 GMT -8
James Corner sounds funny. James Corner sounds not only funny but absolutely appropriate, considering the quality of his recent scores. However, in retrospect, "Coldsmith" sounds more like the name of a contemporary rock and pop band. But let's get back to religion, shall we? Any Raelians on this board? Ahmadiyyans? Members of the First World Conclave of Light? Come on, speak up!
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Post by Jon Broxton on Mar 17, 2005 12:26:03 GMT -8
I was gonna say something about Jay Chattaway, but you totally lowered the tone before I had chance... Coxton indeed
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Post by Jens Dietrich on Mar 17, 2005 12:30:10 GMT -8
I was gonna say something about Jay Chattaway, but you totally lowered the tone before I had chance... Sorry, but I'll join the bloody Mesmerists before I worship at the feet of Jay Chattaway.
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Post by Tex on Mar 17, 2005 12:44:30 GMT -8
I'm surprised that nobody's whipped up our old First Church of the Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo (not only a member, also a founder!), or TimP's Church of Goldenthalogy back from our legendary Filmtracks' days. Where are our loyalties, man? And Brendan: Tisk-tisk . . . does David Arnold know that you've put other false gods before him? ;D [glow=red,2,300]PLJ[/glow]
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Post by Jens Dietrich on Mar 17, 2005 12:51:33 GMT -8
I'm surprised that nobody's whipped up our old First Church of the Mystic Knights of the Oingo BoingoBelieve me, I was quite tempted to bring it up. But that's your turf, mate. Though of course I do remember being christened in a bath of Rumple Mintze schnapps... "In the name of the Elfman, the Bartek and the Holy Vatos..."TimP's Church of GoldenthalogyCan you be a member of both at the same time?
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Post by Jon Lord on Mar 17, 2005 12:55:16 GMT -8
And I must say that I am in awe of the discussion on this thread. Sometimes (actually, most times), I really feel like you guys are light years beyond me and my shallow grasp of religion, faith, politics, ethics, and life in general. Ah, we're just a bunch of blowhards running in circles with big words. I've been what I consider a true Christian for 8 years, and in some ways I feel I'm just starting on my faith journey. Not that I don't think gaining a deeper understanding of religion, politics, history, and other factors in "The Way the World Works" (TM) is extremely important, but I think what matters is the genuineness of your personal walk with God. I think that, while the road may be rocky, if you are sincere in your faith, He will provide you with the knowledge and understanding you need on your path. I would say most of us are still ditzy little 20-somethings that don't know much (no one will back me up on this though, I'm sure ). While I wouldn't say I'm ditzy nor little, I wholely agree with your point. As my favorite religion professor used to say, "the more you learn, the more you realize you don't know." I spent years studying religion at a great college and eventually just kind of went into information overload. I recoiled a bit and pretty much started to "rebuild" much of my world-view almost from scratch, trying to distill my belief system into a manageable firm core while not being too presumptuous with many issues I feel I have no business making assertions about. I assume that part of the reason why your'e so odd is because you aren't rigid in your religious interpetations. Well, yes, that's a lot of it. I'm one of those sorts who analyses, re-analyses, and over-analyses so I'm often left with the blessing and curse of seeing "both sides of the issue" so vividly that I wind up having no preference of my own. When left in such a state, I then seem rather quick, troublingly, to "forget" most of what I've learned concerning the matter, since I have no strong opinion to "support." This is why I'm rarely a really "active" participant in most "religion" debates on message boards, despite my self-identity as a Christian. I really don't have that much to contribute other than my own personal testimony. Despite my endless hours of study, it seems what I most retain is what I glean through a kind of osmosis of what I learn filtered through my own personal experience of being alive. We all know why Kerry lost. We knew this even before he got the democratic nomination... Before? What's your view on that? I mean, I know several reasons why he didn't win... he isn't very "likable." His platform seemed to center around "I'm not Bush" and not much else. Karl Rove played Kerry's campaign to Bush's tune like a harp. I know many reasons, but you seem to hold an "ultimate reason." I'd like to hear it. Btw, I voted for Kerry, even though I knew it was irrelevant. I think Bush carried my Parish with 80% or something. The Evolution battle has been brewing for years. In a world...
where the Evolution battle has been brewing for years...
One man will....Ahem... anyway, personally, I don't view the Bible as a science textbook, nor do I think it was intended as such. Not that I take this view flippantly or without much thought, but, as my pastor says, "don't trust your interpretation of scripture to those who have no appreciation of poetry." So Jon, Why do you want to believe that a God exists? What has led to you to this convinction that he exists?... Well, when I was seventeen during a period of deep philosophical and spiritual struggle I realized that I didn't really believe God was there, or that if he was there, I didn't "know" him or who he was. Unknowingly hurting from an ever-intense "God-shaped hole" inside, I sought counsel from the Christians around me at the time (I was at a summer camp), and was discouraged by their lack of insight and vision towards my cosmic-themed struggles. In despair I kept trying to "figure things out," to no avail. Realization that no understanding of my own human mind, nor anyone else's, would ever be sufficient, I did what I should have done all along. I laid down my pride and my selfishness and as genuinely and sincerely as I've ever done anything I told God that I needed him. Lo and behond, God responded, in as real a fashion as anything I've ever experienced before or since. As real as I type on this keyboard. I glimpsed a world of pure love and pure peace where existence is made perfect and time is forgotten... and that moment will last for the rest of my life. I have no greater conviction than this. the most important event in Christianity gets devalued every year by the Presence of colored eggs and chocolate bunnies. Only in a American Market!... It's truly sickening. Despite my doubts that any nation can be regarded as "Christian" in any regard, (in my view, how can a religion based on "personal" spirituality be imposed as an adjective describing a political entity made up of millions?) the continued persistence of this idea that the U.S. was once a Christian nation or is a Christian nation or should be a Christian nation strikes me as highly ridiculous. If there is one "god" our nation as a whole has, it's Money. And Money's disciples are Security, Pleasure and Power. All temporary elements in light of the omnipotent, eternal Christian God, and yet that's where our society's focus is. The hypocrisy is stinging. Anyway, there are many issues I touched on here that I did not do justice to, but there's only so much that can be well-discussed in this format, and time is, as always, a factor... however, like Broxweb, I applaude the civil discussion that's gone on thus far. -Jon
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Post by Jens Dietrich on Mar 17, 2005 13:06:45 GMT -8
It's not "pretty sickening", Jon. I'm afraid Carlton has either been sniffing too many fumes, or he's simply unaware that the whole thing with the Easter Bunny and the eggs comes from Celtic traditions.
And "only in a American Market"? What's he smoking?
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Post by Tex on Mar 17, 2005 13:07:43 GMT -8
Fair enough. ***lays hands on Jens' scalp***Do you hear the Cry of the Vatos!? I SAID, do you HEAR the CRY OF THE VATOS!? Then be healed! And go forth and proclaim the word of the Boingo!
Thanks be to Elfman.But of course! We're an all inclusive Church, Jens, you should know that. Just one question, though . . . do you reject Horner and all his sins? If so . . . BE HEALED!!! If not . . . COME BACK TOMMOROW! . . . preferably when I'm in a better mood, and Titanic isn't playing on my damn movie channel. [glow=red,2,300]PLJ[/glow]
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Post by Jon Broxton on Mar 17, 2005 13:19:20 GMT -8
It's not "pretty sickening", Jon. I'm afraid Carlton has either been sniffing too many fumes, or he's simply unaware that the whole thing with the Easter Bunny and the eggs comes from Celtic traditions. That and Christmas. According to carbon dating and science and all that kind of crap, it's fairly common knowledge now that Jesus was actually born in July. The only reason we have Christmas in December is because the Romans, having finally been converted to Christianity, came to ancient Britain and found that the pagan inhabitants already had this festival called Yule, which was to do with worshipping the sun and praying that the winter would end and spring would begin (or something like that). Those crafty Romans, seeking to convert the world, said "hey, can we tag our Worshipping the Son of God festival on to your Yule thing..." and over the centuries Yule has died out, and Christmas taken its place. However, the reason we have yule logs and all that kind of stuff is still a throwback to the old Pagan festival.
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