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Post by Jockolantern on Nov 6, 2007 19:24:48 GMT -8
Wouldn't this thread be better titled as "Flamebating 101"?
1) Anyone who dislikes Danny Elfman is mentally challenged. He seems to be the only composer in Hollywood still turning out consistently strong music (although his latest score, The Kingdom, is a sorry exception).
2) Suckaolalla should stop writing music... now. I'd rather hear a crappy Revell score before I hear one more ear-bleeding note from Gustavo.
3) Beyond a few standouts, I've simply never understood all the hub-bub about Morricone.
4) Horner's incessant self-plaigirisng is getting really, really old... really, really fast. I used to look forward to a new Horner album; now, I really just find myself not giving a wiff, even about something as intruiging as The Spiderwick Chronicles. It will undoubtedly turn into Troy II Lite.
5) Leonard Rosenman's score to Star Trek IV is in no way as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
6) Trevor Jones' The Dark Crystal main theme is the greatest ever composed. End of story. Deal with it.
7) Stephen Warbeck should get more film work. His past several scores have been nothing short of wonderful and a far sight more original than much of the dreck being churned out these days.
8) March of the Penguins pwns you.
9) Star Trek: First Contact is the single most overrated film and score of the entire saga.
10) My grandmother could write better themes than John Ottman. He took on an already blasé score and made it even more mind-warpingly boring... yes, Superman Returns, I'm looking at you.
And here comes the biggest change of mind from me in... forever. Goldenthal, you made me do this by not having put anything of any substantial value out since Final Fantasy, but...
I have a new favorite film composer.
I never thought I would see the day Goldenthal would fall down to #2, but he has.
Congratulations, Bernard Herrmann. You're my new #1.
-Jockolantern
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Post by TJ on Nov 6, 2007 19:26:01 GMT -8
I can't stand most of Herrmann's scores.
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Post by Jangles on Nov 6, 2007 19:44:47 GMT -8
I like both Fantastic Four scores.
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Post by Jockolantern on Nov 6, 2007 20:22:01 GMT -8
I can't stand most of Herrmann's scores. Whyever not? Hard to see how anyone can dislike the father of modern film music. -Jockolantern
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Post by Hook on Nov 6, 2007 20:24:36 GMT -8
- I like Goldeneye. Sorry.
- If the rip-off is worth it, then I'm cool with it.
- I also like The Fifth Element.
- I think Goldsmith's action music, that which falls under the Executive Decision-like spectrum, is vastly overrated.
- I believe I listen to and like about as much music as fans who own thousands of scores.
- I would pony up the money for specialty labels to hire a decent graphics department for their CD releases. Yes, I'm shallow.
- I love Horner's Troy.
- This is going to sound horrible, so my wording is going to tip-toe on all that awfulness. Remember the Star Wars "Family Guy" episode and how we all cringed when we saw JW snuff it? I'm... uh... "preparing" for this event by tracking down every score of the maestro as possible because I'm certain that (oh, man) prices of rare scores will skyrocket after the... fact.
- This thread has made me cry.
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Post by TJ on Nov 6, 2007 20:39:51 GMT -8
I can't stand most of Herrmann's scores. Whyever not? Hard to see how anyone can dislike the father of modern film music. -Jockolantern A lot of his stuff is too dissonant for me. I like some of his fantasy scores, but not as much as those of his contemporaries. As far as the father of modern film music? I beg to differ. Korngold, Steiner, Newman, Rozsa, Waxman and Tiomkin own that title just as much as Herrmann.
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Post by Brendan Anderson on Nov 6, 2007 20:56:09 GMT -8
I'm finding it hard to get in the spirit of this thread.....but I'll try: -John Williams writes..........MUSIC! -John Debney is...........A MAN! -Greame Revell owns........A CRUISE SHIP! -Scores released on compact discs........TASTE LIKE PLASTIC! -If you put John Ottman's score to Superman Returns in the microwave and set it for 3 minutes.......IT STILL SUCKS! -I knew someone with cancer - so I played him the score to Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban and......HE STILL HAS CANCER! -Hans Zimmer......DOESN'T DRIVE HIS OWN CAR! -If you define the word "gay" as "happy" then......BRIAN TYLER IS GAY! More to come... -Brendan
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Post by TJ on Nov 6, 2007 21:23:31 GMT -8
Im going to listen to the Gerhardt + Silva Herrmann CD's again, maybe I'll get into his music???
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Post by franzridesagain on Nov 6, 2007 21:58:39 GMT -8
I had to stop reading this thread at Michael Arlidge's contribution. I thought nothing would affect me.... but the very thought that somewhere in Australia was someone who held those beliefs demanded that I correct their thinking in no uncertain terms. I'm heading north!
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Post by franzridesagain on Nov 6, 2007 22:01:45 GMT -8
But then I read Brendan's thread! I am mollified. I will leave in peace and suffer fools to do the same. ;D
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Post by Michael Arlidge on Nov 6, 2007 22:36:40 GMT -8
I had to stop reading this thread at Michael Arlidge's contribution. I thought nothing would affect me.... but the very thought that somewhere in Australia was someone who held those beliefs demanded that I correct their thinking in no uncertain terms. I'm heading north! I listed 10 points. Is there any particular indiscretion I've committed? ;D
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Post by Jockolantern on Nov 6, 2007 22:50:39 GMT -8
Scores released on compact discs........TASTE LIKE PLASTIC! -If you put John Ottman's score to Superman Returns in the microwave and set it for 3 minutes.......IT STILL SUCKS! -I knew someone with cancer - so I played him the score to Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban and......HE STILL HAS CANCER! -If you define the word "gay" as "happy" then......BRIAN TYLER IS GAY! These four made me laugh harder than I have in some time. And they were certainly the best I've had on the film score boards since the infamous "HULK SMASH" thread at Filmtracks. Brilliant, Brendan. ;D -Jockolantern
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Post by Southall on Nov 7, 2007 0:30:49 GMT -8
My own confessions:
I think the Revenge of the Sith music is as good as any of the original trilogy (probably better than one of them); and if John Debney, David Newman and Alan Silvestri were all announced to be pseudonyms for the same person, I would be no more surprised than if the same were true for the guys in the Zimmer sweatshop.
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Post by plindboe on Nov 7, 2007 2:50:30 GMT -8
1) I don't get how anyone can not like Ennio Morricone. 2) The Hollywood obsession bugs me. It bugs me that scores and composers to non-english speaking movies are rarely mentioned. I don't think quality of music has anything to do with language or popularity, also I don't think quality of music depends on how large the orchestra is. 3) I think geeks should stop bashing people who are alot more succesful in life than they are. 4) I love the song "My heart will go on". 5) I don't get Goldsmith's "Planet of the apes" or Steiner's "King kong". Come to think of it, I don't get most ape-orientated scores. 6) I've never heard a Hans Zimmer score I didn't like. 7) I don't get most golden age scores, though anything by Rozsa are excepted. 8) I don't think they should make a Red Dwarf movie, but should work on a 9th season instead. Shocking stuff, I know. Peter
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Post by franzridesagain on Nov 7, 2007 3:00:31 GMT -8
Michael... I think there were 3 of your 10 that were not as bad as the others. But then I did give up at number 8, so that might just be 1! Time for some confessions: 1. I'm actually funny a lot of the time, but few people get it. I actually blame this on them. 2. WATERWORLD is not the score they say it is. It is not half the score they say it is. I don't understand how Newton-Howard goes from the precision of something like SIGNS to average scoring the rest of the time. He is one of the most functional A-list composers there have ever been, and should truly be working on albums inspired by Shyalaman films when he isn't scoring them. That director seems to get the goods out of him. 3. DAVINCI CODE doesn't particularly rock me as an album. And it gets better - I play parts of BATMAN BEGINS more often! (A good film will do that to its music!) 4. American film composition seems to be awfully reliant on foreign-trained and based talents for some pretty major scores of late. Gustavo "Talent Vacuum" Santaolalla, Dario Marianelli, Alberto Iglesias, Alexandre Desplat... I suspect the home-grown industry is simply not producing the music that is simply not inspiring the producers of interesting films. 5. CHILDREN OF MEN had a disappointing story, though its filmcraft was fantastic. (I know, nothing to do with music, but I'm sure someone is shocked.) 6. I think Terry Malick was crazy to get James Horner involved in THE NEW WORLD, and came to his senses when he marginalised the composer's work in favour of Wagner and Mozart. Only in the realm of film music appreciators, where people are more attuned to Horner than to Mozart, could anyone think any differently. 7. Much as I love the album, MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA has one key flaw as a film score. I suspect because of the director's background in putting together musicals, he was quite comfortable with a score where every cue started the same way: a few bars of rhythm, then the lead melodic voice appears, and it kicks off very much like a song instrumental. Multiplied by 20+ times, this sense of familiar tricks being pulled every time the music starts diminishes the effectiveness of the music, particularly when the latter part of the film really starts to drag. 8. Hey, all you lovers of Patrick Doyle doing a loud anything: you're welcome.
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