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Post by Jon Broxton on Aug 20, 2011 9:37:31 GMT -8
It would be a shame to do it, but no-one really posts here any more. I think it's run it's course, sadly. With the website redesign I now have comment sections at the end of each review where everyone can interact, rendering this site a little redundant.
Thoughts?
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Post by jorgen on Aug 21, 2011 5:53:49 GMT -8
I think it would be a pity. Not that I do much to contribute, either. But the more variety, the more options for everyone.
On the other hand, I don´t like comment sections too much (I see forums more a "home" for regulars).
Anyway, whatever you choose will be the right option.
By the way, if ANYONE out there is reading...how is T. Newman´s "The help"?
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Post by Jon Lord on Aug 22, 2011 0:16:20 GMT -8
It would be a shame to do it, but no-one really posts here any more. I think it's run it's course, sadly. With the website redesign I now have comment sections at the end of each review where everyone can interact, rendering this site a little redundant. Does that mean you would just lock it so no new posts would be added or delete the entire thing? It would be a shame to lose such legendary moments as when Marc Shaiman declared I guess it's not really my place to comment since I've been more of a lurker on message boards for a few years now. But I've still been checking this forum every week or so. It would be a shame to see it go, but of course it's pretty much inert at present. Do whatever you think is best. I guess the main question is, do you genuinely still have an interest in there being a board here? If not, I guess there's the answer. Or, if so, any ideas on how to get activity going again? Maybe get Marc Shaiman to become a regular? ;D
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Post by jorgen on Aug 23, 2011 14:02:07 GMT -8
Or, if so, any ideas on how to get activity going again? Maybe get Marc Shaiman to become a regular? ;D Curious, the lurkers become the posters (at least, here). I doubt any composer would enjoy becoming a regular. :b And more whenever he scored something people of the forum wouldn´t enjoy: "You lazy guy, stop posting here and go compose something decent. And don´t forget to add woodwinds. WOODWINDS, hear me?" How is everything going, Jon? I´ve been catching up with Eidelman´s music recently (I want to update with Randy Newman as well). Take care (both Jons) and see you around, or whatever.
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Post by Jon Lord on Aug 24, 2011 18:20:08 GMT -8
Curious, the lurkers become the posters (at least, here). Two people are having a discussion on the MMUK board! It's a MEGA-THREAD!!![/b][/u] How is everything going, Jon? I´ve been catching up with Eidelman´s music recently (I want to update with Randy Newman as well). It's funny, I went to see the movie He's Just Not That Into You with some friends and realized it was the first time I'd heard a Cliff Eidelman score actually in the confines of a theater. Unfortunately, it's possibly his most insubstantial score, but c'est la vie. Thankfully the next Ken Kwapis-directed flick (about rescuing whales) has a synopsis that indicates it might have a least a little adventure or something. I would love to hear Eidelman cut loose with the orchestra again. Take care (both Jons) and see you around, or whatever. Good journey! (a cookie to anyone who catches that reference) -Jon
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Post by jorgen on Aug 25, 2011 13:03:32 GMT -8
Two people are having a discussion on the MMUK board! It's a MEGA-THREAD!!![/b][/u] [/quote] Not so "mega" really. Maybe we should consider bringing up subjects as marxist oboes or something. It's funny, I went to see the movie He's Just Not That Into You with some friends and realized it was the first time I'd heard a Cliff Eidelman score actually in the confines of a theater. Unfortunately, it's possibly his most insubstantial score, but c'est la vie. Thankfully the next Ken Kwapis-directed flick (about rescuing whales) has a synopsis that indicates it might have a least a little adventure or something. I would love to hear Eidelman cut loose with the orchestra again. I also went to see "He´s not that into you" and I don´t remember that I realized it had a score by Eidelman. In fact I don´t remember that it had a score at all (I came out of the cinema with the feeling that it had a song compilation soundtrack), so go figure. I know I have a Ken Kwapis DVD at home, but I don´t remember which one is, or if it has a score by Cliff. If I could recover the DVD list I had on the other lap...Or maybe I had a DVD by Ken Kwapis on my "DVDs to get" list? Good journey! (a cookie to anyone who catches that reference) Not me. I have the excuse that the films here are dubbed. Which is your excuse, Mr. Broxton? ;D
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Post by Jon Lord on Aug 26, 2011 6:53:41 GMT -8
Not so "mega" really. Maybe we should consider bringing up subjects as marxist oboes or something. Man, that maxist oboe thread almost became a message board unto itself. I also went to see "He´s not that into you" and I don´t remember that I realized it had a score by Eidelman. In fact I don´t remember that it had a score at all (I came out of the cinema with the feeling that it had a song compilation soundtrack), so go figure. There's not really much to the score, though it was nice to hear his instrumentation again and I bought the score CD just to support the artist. It's just rather unremarkable. Of course, Eidelman can write amazing stuff even for his smaller scale projects, like "A Simple Twist of Fate," one of my favorite scores by him. I know I have a Ken Kwapis DVD at home, but I don´t remember which one is, or if it has a score by Cliff. If I could recover the DVD list I had on the other lap...Or maybe I had a DVD by Ken Kwapis on my "DVDs to get" list? Of Ken Kwapis' films I've only seen "Not Into You," and was indifferent to that. That said, since there would be hardly any new Cliff Eidelman scores if Ken Kwapis wasn't directing movies, I'm always looking forward to him making new ones! Maybe he can directed a fantasy adventure film next? One can dream... Actually there is another Kwapis film I'm quite familiar with. I grew up watching "Sesame Street Presents: Follow That Bird:" www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWv_sQm5_YoNot me. I have the excuse that the films here are dubbed. Which is your excuse, Mr. Broxton? ;D Hey, where is he? ;D I see him arguing with someone about Super 8 themes over at Filmtracks but not posting here in this thread that he started concerning his own board. Cover me, I'm going to draw him out! Lame troll attempt: "Alexandre Desplat's scores are mind-numbingly boring! His themes are unmemorable and his music lacks any trace of emotion!"(Hears distant rumbling of orcish war drums) Boom-boom-boom-boom! Gandalf: "Fool of a Took! Throw yourself in next time and rid us of your stupidity!" Oh, anyway, "Good Journey" was the Eternian farewell saying from the legendary 1987 Dolph Lungdren film "Masters of the Universe." Know you know, and knowing is half the battle! The other half is violence! -Jon
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Post by jorgen on Aug 27, 2011 11:01:44 GMT -8
Man, that marxist oboe thread almost became a message board unto itself. I love that thread. I remember Zack tipying something like it had a "life of its own", which I completely agree. You can find a post almost of everyone. I posted too, just to add my own signature-post to that loooooooooong snake. Good times, really. There's not really much to the score, though it was nice to hear his instrumentation again and I bought the score CD just to support the artist. It's just rather unremarkable. Of course, Eidelman can write amazing stuff even for his smaller scale projects, like "A Simple Twist of Fate," one of my favorite scores by him. That (A simple twist of fate) was my first score by him. I posted it in Filmtracks when I bought it. And moreover, if I bought it it was for you, because you liked his music so much that I decided to gave it a try (I found the CD pretty cheap in Bilbao, in a shop that probably will have disappeared). Curious how things works, or how people influence: the scores by Arnold that I have purchased, were because Brendan loved them. Another ones, influenced by Broxton, Clemmensen, Kühn, Zack.... Of Ken Kwapis' films I've only seen "Not Into You," and was indifferent to that. That said, since there would be hardly any new Cliff Eidelman scores if Ken Kwapis wasn't directing movies, I'm always looking forward to him making new ones! Maybe he can directed a fantasy adventure film next? One can dream... I have looked which film by him I have: I think it´s called "He said" (in Spanish: "Él dijo, ella dijo", with Kevin Bacon and Elisabeth Perkins). The music is by Miles Goodman, though. He has also directed chapters of "Malcolm", which is a sitcom I find funny. I happen to have several romantic comedies in DVD. Is a genre I enjoy more than horror films (better music, or more listenable). I still consider "The apartment", "When Harry met Sally", "Amelie" and "Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind" my favourites (though I don´t know if the first and the last one qualify as "comedy"). And I agree, I hope he one day is given the chance to direct a fantasy adventure film. A Pixar film would be great. I´ll check that one. Soccer, or another forum, or listening to Desplat´s last themeless CD (released 5 minutes ago, just after the previous release, which was 10 minutes ago) ;D I see him arguing with someone about Super 8 themes over at Filmtracks but not posting here in this thread that he started concerning his own board. Cover me, I'm going to draw him out! I´m ready. Go for it, boy. Lame troll attempt: "Alexandre Desplat's scores are mind-numbingly boring! His themes are unmemorable and his music lacks any trace of emotion!"And what is more: he should change his agent to give people who actually know how to write a memorable theme, a chance (Eidelman, Fenton, name it....). ;D But, what did you expect? In these doomed years of awful wall-paper-sound-scores, directors who want to have unobtrusive music for their films, but don´t want another RC score, go for Desplat!!! (Has this been a good cover?) (Hears distant rumbling of orcish war drums) Boom-boom-boom-boom! Gandalf: "Fool of a Took! Throw yourself in next time and rid us of your stupidity!" Gandalf should know that the good guys always win and reason prevails...except in real world. He shouldn´t have worried. Oh, anyway, "Good Journey" was the Eternian farewell saying from the legendary 1987 Dolph Lungdren film "Masters of the Universe." Know you know, and knowing is half the battle! The other half is violence! The funny fact of that movie: I saw it in summer of 1987 with my friends in my hometown´s cinema (which has closed down, as well). I think we went to the 16:00 or 17:00 session. The funny thing is that in the middle of the movie (we were like 8 or 10 people watching it), the woman not too far away from us (she should be in her sixties or so) began snoring SO loud that we couldn´t hear a thing. I remember one of my friends saying something like: "Psssst, psssssssst.....we´d like to listen to the film" (which I was about to add: "Not really. It´s crap"). Oh, the memories!!!!
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Post by Jon Broxton on Aug 28, 2011 0:34:30 GMT -8
I'm here. I'm just so happy that people are posting on the board *sniff*
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Post by Armin on Aug 28, 2011 5:06:31 GMT -8
It seems times have indeed changed - I still check back every day to see whether there are new posts, but somehow don't feel the urge to post. I also have about 50+ CD's sitting in front of me I have never listened to... I guess it's a mixture of life, boredom and overload of music (as a musician I'm glad when the music's off when I'm at home). That's not to say that I wouldn't enjoy joining in again at some point if discussions were to come back... ;D
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Post by jorgen on Aug 28, 2011 9:42:43 GMT -8
That's not to say that I wouldn't enjoy joining in again at some point if discussions were to come back... ;D Oh, please, feel free to join us. Anything to say about Eidelman´s music? About "Masters of the Universe"? About Desplat? Do you like Desplat´s picture in Filmtracks? (I think is utterly funny. His and Shaiman´s) ;D Early influences in your CDs purchases? Which CDs do you have still to listen to? (I have MORE than 50. And still buy new ones just in case they´re sold out, not to pay a lot of money years later in case I´ll be interested. Which creates me this glorious feeling of "There must be a lot of good music in there still to listen to!! Great!". And also this not so glorious feeling of "Oh my God. How many craps do I have sealed on the shelves that I shouldn´t have purchased?" ;D ) How is life in Australia? Don´t you miss the snowy mountains? Don´t you feel that Chaikosky´s solo for french horn in the 2nd movement of his 5th symphony is just....superb?
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Post by muckle dabuckle on Aug 28, 2011 19:15:53 GMT -8
I still don't get what happend to this board. I went away for a few years because I had messageboard burnout, but when I came back everyone else was gone too. Weird. I know a lot of us started posting while in college and now that life seems like a distant memory. But, obviously most of us didn't quit listening to scores...
My main theory is that most of us who used to post here are somewhat "normal:" music fans first and collectors second. The over saturation of the market killed conversation. There are seemingly multiple scores coming out every day and it's exhausting to keep up with all the conversations. And why should I even be interested? I can't possible buy all of these scores to even participate in any meaningful conversations. It's like there is so much out there it is like having nothing because you can't focus or enjoy a score before another takes it's place.
Anyway. It would be a shame to see this board go. I'd keep it if it's not a financial burden.
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Post by Armin on Aug 29, 2011 4:54:08 GMT -8
Oh, please, feel free to join us. Anything to say about Eidelman´s music? About "Masters of the Universe"? About Desplat? Do you like Desplat´s picture in Filmtracks? (I think is utterly funny. His and Shaiman´s) ;D Early influences in your CDs purchases? Which CDs do you have still to listen to? (I have MORE than 50. And still buy new ones just in case they´re sold out, not to pay a lot of money years later in case I´ll be interested. Which creates me this glorious feeling of "There must be a lot of good music in there still to listen to!! Great!". And also this not so glorious feeling of "Oh my God. How many craps do I have sealed on the shelves that I shouldn´t have purchased?" ;D ) How is life in Australia? Don´t you miss the snowy mountains? Don´t you feel that Chaikosky´s solo for french horn in the 2nd movement of his 5th symphony is just....superb? That's a lot of questions... Eidelman - Some excellent stuff years ago, still good music now, but the projects are not really coming in the way they should. Star Trek VI is one of my favourite scores, it just has so much in it that every time I listen there's a new layer to discover. It might sound funny, but from an emotional point of view I think that's the bet of all Trek scores. Chris Columbus is obviously good, and I also always loved Free Willy. Other than that we're talking crap movie after crap movie. Hope at least he's enjoying life and doing what he likes Masters of the Universe - I think I have a sealed autographed copy lying around somewhere. Actually, two of them. Really like the theme, but am amazed at the rest of the score is just so bland. I guess Conti isn't my style - has never been. A it like Morricone, really (flaming wars!!! ;D ;D) Desplat - see Conti/Morricone. I find all of his scores have about 5 -10 minutes of great music, and the rest is just band variations on the same. I've actually stopped getting any CDs of his music, just doesn't do it for me. Shaiman - Fantastic man and composer. He's in my "always keep an eye on" list, even though his movie output is somewhat sporadic. Perhaps it's time to fill in some of the gaps. Incidentally, the same can be said for Thomas Newman - after not liking most of his stuff for the longest time, I've found some hidden beauty in several of his scores. Still don't understand the fuss about Shawshank Redemption, but that's probably just me. Early influences in my CDs purchases? James Horner, far ahead of anybody else. Then the classics by Williams and Elfman, with others joining in litte by little. Which CDs do I still have to listen to? I'll spare you the list. Check the Intrada and Lalaland catalogues of the past three years and that'll give you most of the names. Many re-releases, some cheap stuff (I make a point of buying everything off Lalaland that's dirt cheap, just because they release so much great stuff). Have also been buying a fair amount of the re-releases but find myself increasingly holding off. I more and more realize why a lot of stuff wasn't released before... How is life in Australia? Pretty good, getting by well at the moment. Can do without the snowy mountains, and we've actually had a pretty cold winter (relatively cold, that is). Very soon it'll be hot again, but that's life. Don´t you feel that Chaikosky´s solo for french horn in the 2nd movement of his 5th symphony is just....superb? Hmm... that's a difficult question. I've never had it with solos like that. It's a pretty tune of bland accompaniment, nice, romantic, yes, but lacking substance. I'd take any Strauss over all of Tchaikovsky any day. Or Mahler, Bruckner, Brahms, Beethoven, ...
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Post by jorgen on Aug 30, 2011 1:30:10 GMT -8
That's a lot of questions... Eidelman - Some excellent stuff years ago, still good music now, but the projects are not really coming in the way they should. Star Trek VI is one of my favourite scores, it just has so much in it that every time I listen there's a new layer to discover. It might sound funny, but from an emotional point of view I think that's the bet of all Trek scores. Chris Columbus is obviously good, and I also always loved Free Willy. Other than that we're talking crap movie after crap movie. Hope at least he's enjoying life and doing what he likes What does he do nowadays? I have rediscovered his music recently, and I like it. Wish he were allowed to score more often. I saw a CD by him that was compositions (not scores) but haven´t purchased because I´m hesitant of how will sound (I think it was filled with songs). Here´s the link: www.amazon.com/My-Muse-Cliff-Eidelman/dp/B000R9RGEW/ref=sr_1_9?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1314694150&sr=1-9Masters of the Universe - I think I have a sealed autographed copy lying around somewhere. Actually, two of them. Really like the theme, but am amazed at the rest of the score is just so bland. I guess Conti isn't my style - has never been. A it like Morricone, really (flaming wars!!! ;D ;D) I can see your point about Conti. Not my style, either and still have to listen to "Masters of the Universe". But I do love his "North And south" CDs (and also the main title for "rookie of the year"). About Morricone, I have mixed feelings. I feel lazy to listen to one of his scores, but when I finally do, I find the experience really worthwhile. Have you listened to "Once upon a time in America"? Melancholic....great. Desplat - see Conti/Morricone. I find all of his scores have about 5 -10 minutes of great music, and the rest is just band variations on the same. I've actually stopped getting any CDs of his music, just doesn't do it for me. I have 3 scores by him. Like "New moon". But I don´t find his style appealing. Wish I could find it interesting, but as happens with Williams, there´s something about his output which doesn´t connect with me. Pitty. Shaiman - Fantastic man and composer. He's in my "always keep an eye on" list, even though his movie output is somewhat sporadic. Perhaps it's time to fill in some of the gaps. Incidentally, the same can be said for Thomas Newman - after not liking most of his stuff for the longest time, I've found some hidden beauty in several of his scores. Still don't understand the fuss about Shawshank Redemption, but that's probably just me. Uuuuuhmm. I haven´t listened to enough Shaiman to judge properly. Patch Adams gets on my nerves. So sweet, that I´m left..."sick". I´d love to listen to his "Family Addams" scores, though. T. Newman is one of my favourites...when he writes melodic stuff. I avoid his "little noises" scores. About "Shawshank" I also have mixed feelings. Works very well in the film, love the final 2 tracks, and how "Zihuatanejo" builds little by little and leaves me with this "melancholic" feeling. Love the prison´s theme in the film (serious, monotone, little oppresive...) but not to listen to it that often. Go for "Little Women", "Fried green tomatoes", "Oscar and Lucinda", "Meet Joe Black", parts of "How to make an American quilt"....and relax. Early influences in my CDs purchases? James Horner, far ahead of anybody else. Then the classics by Williams and Elfman, with others joining in litte by little. Boh. Horner and Williams, with zanny Elfman. Which CDs do I still have to listen to? I'll spare you the list. Check the Intrada and Lalaland catalogues of the past three years and that'll give you most of the names. Many re-releases, some cheap stuff (I make a point of buying everything off Lalaland that's dirt cheap, just because they release so much great stuff). Have also been buying a fair amount of the re-releases but find myself increasingly holding off. I more and more realize why a lot of stuff wasn't released before... I try to avoid purchasing everything that is released. I´m becoming very selective for two main reasons: budget and room for the stuff. How is life in Australia? Pretty good, getting by well at the moment. Can do without the snowy mountains, and we've actually had a pretty cold winter (relatively cold, that is). Very soon it'll be hot again, but that's life. I guess that cold winters there are like bad summers here. Hmm... that's a difficult question. I've never had it with solos like that. It's a pretty tune of bland accompaniment, nice, romantic, yes, but lacking substance. I'd take any Strauss over all of Tchaikovsky any day. Or Mahler, Bruckner, Brahms, Beethoven, ... Heresy!!! Just kidding. Tchaikovsky happens to be amongst my favourite composers, with Sibelius, Dvorak, Rachmaninoff and Saint-Saëns (also Beethoven, and Brahms, and Mozart and....). I know that in most of the cases I love their music, it´s not so much because of complex/difficult writting as for the emotion they get from me (the hair in my neck curls). I also love Strauss, by the way (great stuff in there. Still searching for an affordable recording of the "Rosenkavalier" (sp?) by Georg Solti), but has never managed to find what´s so good about Bruckner or the "excesive" simphonies by Mahler (love his 1st, though). And to Nate: since when "Having a real life" is an excuse not to post? Since when "a lot of stuff is released" is an excuse not to post? To discuss why "E.T." score is such a bore (except for the villains theme) you don´t have to have listened to the newexpandedremasteredcompleteintheformthecomposerwanted version, did you know? ;D
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Post by jorgen on Sept 1, 2011 7:39:42 GMT -8
Two scores I enjoy that are hardly talked about:
Stephen Endelman - The proposition Warbeck - Two brothers
I found them really cheap here, in Barcelona. They´re melodic, sweet and had good themes (those you can hum while playing and after having played them). In fact, Warbeck makes a "whistled" version of the theme (track 17) that is great.
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