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Post by General Silliness on Jul 20, 2008 13:33:10 GMT -8
how do you see its chances for the oscars? normaly this kind of movie is ignored, but this is something special.i really , really hope it will open doors for a more serious kind of comicbook movies.someone said its not a comic book-its a graphic novel.the actors still have a contract for a third movie, but nolan said he said everything about batman what he wanted to say.the success will change his mind, though.btw nolan said there are no deleted scenes and no 30min longer cut.
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Post by greenaxer on Jul 20, 2008 15:27:55 GMT -8
1. True that, Tilton. 2. I gotta be honest with you, Jens... I had no real problem with the music. I would've liked, perhaps, a little more variation on those same damn two notes... it's pretty minimalist... same thing over and over again. But as a whole, I think this score's number one job should be -- first and foremost -- to stay the hell out of the way. And it did that just fine for my tastes. Good enough atmosphere for my tastes. In fact, in many parts, I really enjoyed it. And I disagree with Clemmenson -- I think the Joker's one note "buzz" was fine. It's not like I'll ever be clammoring to listen to it on CD, but it sure added to Ledger's creepy OMGWTF is he gonna do now? factor. Agreed with all your points. A couple of newer themes (one for the Joker especially) would have been nice. But as far as working in the film, the score did its job. The film itself was phenomenal. It was so much more intense and suspenseful than the last one, which was great too.
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Post by Tex on Jul 20, 2008 17:21:47 GMT -8
General Silliness: I would be SHOCKED if Ledger didn't at least get nominated. With the Oscar buzz and critical acclaim surrounding his performance, I don't see how he CAN'T. That said... an actual win? I don't know. Ever since South Park's "Blame Canada" lost Best Song to Phill Collins' Tarzan, I've never underestimated the Academy for sheer, stupid mediocrity.
As for the lack of a director's cut? Well... @#$%.
Greenaxer: I don't know... I saw the film again today and am pretty much in love with that one note theme. It's more like a "haunting" than anything when the Joker's around. That buzz just instills me with a nice sense of "Uh oh... Where is he???" Like a ghost. Definitely a horror movie trope, but a good one -- and appropriate one -- given the circumstances. Overall, I say good job on Zimmer's, Howard's, and Nolan's part.
And, of course, Heath Ledger.
The Batman theme? Kinda debatable. I liked it for 2/3 of the film A LOT. Then it kinda loses steam about the time the final act rolls around. But still mighty serviceable. And doesn't really wreck the film any.
Whenever I walk or drive in the Chicago Loop now, I'm going to be humming those frenetic strings and those two brass notes and looking up at the Sears Tower, forever checking for Batman.
Better yet, I'll just load it onto my i-Pod. That should mess with my El ride quite nicely. ;D
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PS -- (Props should also go to the creative team for NOT scoring half that car chase on Lower Wacker. Sometimes the best suspenseful music is none at all).
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Post by Jens Dietrich on Jul 20, 2008 18:26:22 GMT -8
PS -- (Props should also go to the creative team for NOT scoring half that car chase on Lower Wacker. Sometimes the best suspenseful music is none at all). Yes, dammit! That was my favorite part of the score!
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Post by cheno on Jul 20, 2008 20:05:00 GMT -8
So for those that are more knowledgeable on Batman, what should the future hold?
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Post by franzridesagain on Jul 20, 2008 20:10:54 GMT -8
PS -- (Props should also go to the creative team for NOT scoring half that car chase on Lower Wacker. Sometimes the best suspenseful music is none at all). Yes, dammit! That was my favorite part of the score! I also thought that section reeked of intelligent scoring.
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Joe Irvin
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Post by Joe Irvin on Jul 20, 2008 20:19:17 GMT -8
So the banner is asking "Who's the best Joker?" I wonder if there is a choice for Mark Hammill, because he did so much with just his voice. Sorry Heath, but...
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Post by Jens Dietrich on Jul 20, 2008 20:21:42 GMT -8
I wonder if there is a choice for Mark Hammill... You wonder? It'd only take you one click to find out.
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Post by General Silliness on Jul 21, 2008 3:58:34 GMT -8
So for those that are more knowledgeable on Batman, what should the future hold? Mr.Reese-Mysteries will be The Riddler and Two-Face will come back.Maybe another Scarecrow Cameo.And there was Catwoman-Reference.
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Post by MikeP on Jul 21, 2008 8:46:02 GMT -8
I don't know... wouldn't they want a bigger name actor to play the Riddler? It's a clever catch though, I must admit.
Where did you see the Catwoman reference?
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Post by Jockolantern on Jul 21, 2008 23:50:01 GMT -8
The Dark Knight melted my face off. It felt so good to sit in that darkened theater, watching a film not only live up to its extravagant hype... but exceed it. Bravo, Chris Nolan. Please come back for the third one.
-Jockolantern
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Post by Joseph Bat on Jul 22, 2008 10:50:27 GMT -8
I usually don't agree with Terry Gilliam, but in this case, I do. The posthumus Oscar talk is stupid/premature and is being used to promote the film in bad taste, IMHO. What other actors this year are already getting winning bells? Only the dead actor. Ledger was very good, but how about we wait to see what other people have done before we start giving it away. If he does indeed get nominated and is the best out of the others, then give it to him.
Did anyone else notice the slight nods he gave to Jack's performance? I find it funny people say he is totally different when its clear he borrowed a bit.
When have these type of films ever NEEDED an Oscar win anyway to be hailed upon as good? Ledger doesn't need an Oscar and I'd bet he wouldn't even care. And for everyone who is saying there cannot be another actor playing Joker... them = fool. How many Joker's have there already been? How many Batman's?
As for the film, really good. Way better than Begins, but there are still some things that bug me (blatant exposition/shotty dialogue/obvious preaching/the damn batmobile), but these are personal preferences, I guess.
Joe
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Post by muckle dabuckle on Jul 22, 2008 21:00:01 GMT -8
(blatant exposition/shotty dialogue/obvious preaching/the damn batmobile) Those are the exact reasons I thought Batman Begins was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. The preaching was unbearable (you could make a drinking game based on how many times someone said, "injustice" in that movie), the terrible Star Wars prequels dialogue and wooden acting (but, of course everyone overlooks it for Batman because George Lucas didn't direct it), the over-the-top deep voice Bruce Wayne all of a sudden gets when he puts the Batman suit on, the horrible fight scenes and editing (the first part of the movie in the prison camp and the Ducard castle fight was one of the worst/boring things I've seen in a movie in a long time), the Batmobile is a giant pile of crap (it looks like a piece of mining equipment), the villian wasn't scarey--Honestly. A frickin' scarecrow? A guy with a burlap bag on his head is supposed to be a villian? (what'd he do? Poison the city water supply or something? Lame.), etc. So I'd say a lot of people agree with you on those points. I also like Burton's philosophy that Bruce Wayne should look like a normal guy and have to wear the batsuit to gain his intimidation, while Bale's Bruce Wayne is this giant buff guy that knows martial arts and can kick anyone's ass. So why even wear the batsuit? All that being said, I can easily overlook that kind of stuff in a movie if it's likeable/has heart but Batman Begins did nothing for me. No memorable dialogue or scenes to hold on to. Still, I was looking forward to the Dark Knight but after Joe's comments and then Hook's comments about the horrible editing (especially in the fight scenes) I'm not sure I'll like the thing. I think I'll be more entertained by Christian Bale going to jail for throwing his mother to the ground. Allegedly.
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Post by Joseph Bat on Jul 22, 2008 21:58:20 GMT -8
Oh yes, I forgot Batman's voice. I laughed the first time I heard it in Begins.
Joe
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Post by Jockolantern on Jul 22, 2008 22:12:16 GMT -8
...the terrible Star Wars prequels dialogue and wooden acting (but, of course everyone overlooks it for Batman because George Lucas didn't direct it) I think you'd best go back and watch the Star Wars prequels. Your hatred for Begins has clearly slowed your mind. -Jockolantern
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