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Post by tharpdevenport on Nov 7, 2007 12:28:28 GMT -8
I've never enjoyed a single one of Mark Isham's scores. And that dog one was highly overrated and sounded like a replacement score.
"The Sixth Sense" score is boring, and -- as it was a replacement score -- it's bland, and one could go their whole life with never hearing it and not miss a damn thing.
James Horner hasn't done anything like his 80's output (ST2, Willow, so forth), and unless "Spiderwich Chronicles" is like his 80's work, he never will again and will die on a bad score note.
I no longer look forward to any John Williams score.
"Escape From New York" score sucked ass and that composer is extremely overrated.
Bruce Broughton is a talented man and should get more work, but quite frankly -- he's never done anything on the level of Silvestri or J.N.H., and even if he got a Potter film, still would not. And what a waste of time "Monster Squad" is.
I can't forgive Hollywood for not giving Basil Poledouris and Shirley Walker more work. Assholes. And to announce "Final Destination 4" just a week after her death, was TASTELESS.
I'd rather have one of FSM's releases than most new scores (Pirates, Bourne, so forth).
Alf Clausen and Ron Jones need to loosen up on the promos. At this point the only one who has a fan base if Jones, and that's just from ST: TNG; but he loses that base each day and pretty much half or more of the score fans can't name what he's doing now, and Clausen will be forgotten. Face it, they'll only remember Elfman's main theme.
Joseph Loduca should have scored Spiderman-Man 2 and 3.
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Post by Southall on Nov 7, 2007 12:28:35 GMT -8
Elaborations are in order! Actually, I do find Williams often over-elaborates. While musically I think he's unimpeachable, as a film scorer I do think there are times when he missed the mark, or went over-the-top. No doubt Harry Potter I was as a result of doing what the director wanted, but I don't think that's the only time.
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Post by Southall on Nov 7, 2007 12:31:59 GMT -8
Oh yes, two more - I think Goldeneye was a pretty decent score. And I think Brokeback Mountain, while not deserving an Oscar, was also a pretty decent score, and certainly more deserving of an Oscar than the score which won the year before.
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Post by Christian K on Nov 7, 2007 12:42:33 GMT -8
I think that if you have heard one score by John Barry (apart from The Last Valley), you've heard them all. To a degree, that is also true for Thomas Newman, but with him, I don't have the feeling of the composer being lazy.
I never got into Giacchino's work for Incredibles or Ratatouille. Very overrated.
I own only one James Bond score.
My favorite Ennio Morricone score is Fateless.
Double-CD jewel cases which have CD-holders that open to the left annoy me. As do front flaps that have those pointy booklet holders. Always screw up the booklet.
I put a little musical signature on letters I write to composers.
I think that once you've heard one Rózsa score for a historical epic or film noir, you've heard them all. Every single one.
I don't mind Doyle's monothematic approach at all.
I once also slept next to Peter, and *nothing* happened.
Babylon 5 has the best music ever for a sci-fi series.
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Post by Michael Arlidge on Nov 7, 2007 13:06:25 GMT -8
Meh, this is the kind of arrogant elitist bullshit that turns me away from these film music forums. Why can't you just like your shit without bashing the people who like their different shit? Clark, he was basically saying that any self respecting film music fan will think that Harold Faltermeyer's work is bullshit, and if they don't they aren't a "real" fan....which is bullshit. What he REALLY was are saying is that "anyone who agrees with my taste will think it sucks because i think it sucks". Which is not very helpful in anyway, since I guess that means everyone who likes Star Trek The Motion Picture isn't a real score fan either :-P Get over yourself. This thread is supposed to be fun. If you want to take it seriously, bugger off! ;D
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Post by tharpdevenport on Nov 7, 2007 13:12:48 GMT -8
Something really honest: after Silvestri and J.N.H. die ... I don't know what to do about giving a damn.
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Post by Southall on Nov 7, 2007 13:16:50 GMT -8
Something really honest: after Silvestri and J.N.H. die ... I don't know what to do about giving a damn. Well, hopefully you'll have many decades before you need to worry about that!
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Post by Jens Dietrich on Nov 7, 2007 13:26:32 GMT -8
There's indeed fewer and fewer great film composers left alive, which is why I'm getting more and more into video game scores and non-film music.
Peter, speak for yourself. I slept like a baby that night.
Two of my favorite scores this year were actually composed by Hans Zimmer. Whoever can accurately guess which will win a helpful tip on how to properly boil eggs.
Elfman fans are DEFINITELY hipper people than non-Elfman fans.
I've come to think that people who argue about purely subjective matters of opinion (as in this thread) are idiots, yet in the back of my mind I also still hold the firm belief that anyone whose taste differs from mine is also an idiot.
Yes, that means you!
At this point in time, Hollywood can burn to the ground for all I care.
I am needy and desperately crave the approval and attention of a select few people here. You know who you are.
Ever since Howard Shore and Patrick Doyle have become more successful and "mainstream", I have liked them much less. I am shallow that way.
I'm sorry, but Doyle's "Sleuth" score sucked.
I couldn't care less about what John Williams does these days. Which I suppose is nothing anyway.
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Post by tharpdevenport on Nov 7, 2007 13:44:38 GMT -8
Giacchino doesn't float my boat, his efforts are "okay" at their very best, and his Trek score will only be a notch or two above his "okay" score to the "Incredibles". If it wasn't for the orchestrations by Tim Simonic and Jack Hayes, he's be even worse.
Maybe Mr. Hayes needs to do some teaching before he passes on.
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Post by franzridesagain on Nov 7, 2007 13:47:24 GMT -8
Not you! Zimmer's DAVINCI CODE. More things that irritate me: - Alan Silvestri does loud. I think Patrick Doyle must have temped with him at some formative point. - Why can't Spielberg make more films like MUNICH? Because then Williams might write more scores like MUNICH! The advantages are obvious. - Why can't Hollywood make more films like BLACK DAHLIA and GOOD GERMAN? Because then the Thomas Newmans and Mark Ishams of this world would write more scores like those, so that even if the films failed, there would be something to chew on. - Is there no-one but me who appreciates extremely well-written suspense music? (Southall doesn't count, because he's from Bristol. And Erik's from wherever he comes from, so he doesn't count either!) (Prompted by listening to Jeremy Sams' fine ENDURING LOVE.) - Why Trevor Jones? - A serious problem has emerged this year: there's only so much Alexandre Desplat to go around. Alchemists should devise a way to siphon productive hours of work out of less worthwhile composers to increase the Frenchman's output. And where the work can't be done, isn't it time to start thinking about... Bruce Broughton, John Scott, George Fenton, Joel McNeely... - Alberto Iglesias writes about one score per year. Two in a really good year. All tend to be very strong scores that nobody talks about. (Annoying in itself.) But it would be nice to have more. - Electronics vs orchestra shouldn't be one of the real issues, but the financial arrangements of the industry have made it so that it overlaps with many of the real issues. - Why bloody Craig Armstrong? I don't imagine David Hirschfelder is THAT busy at the moment.
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Post by muckle dabuckle on Nov 7, 2007 14:35:59 GMT -8
I couldn't care less if BTTF, Spartacus, or Alien never get released.
The NeverEnding Story song is good stuff. Maybe my favorite movie song.
I don't really like Poledouris' Conan score that much either. Yeah, it's good, but not THAT good.
-Nate
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Post by General Silliness on Nov 7, 2007 14:44:15 GMT -8
Disclaimer: Band's BEASTMASTER 2: THROUGH THE PORTAL OF TIME is my official Guilty Pleasure (or at least, "Swamp Creature Attacks" is). But a little goes a loooong way... If I wanted to be snarkier, I could wonder aloud why people get all het up over Intrada's clues. Come on dudes, don't overtax your brain cells here... it's most likely going to be something by Bruce Broughton, Richard Band or David Newman... beastmaster 2 is from robert folk. i am not looking forward to williams indiana jones 4 score. the never ending wave of great composers replacing with zimmer clones wants me to send back a termiator in time to prevail hans birth. i donLt care for new battlestar galactica, that reality touch is bullshit.there are no camera teams in space. half of james newton howads score are worthless. i like broughton more than williams. i like giacchino more than broughton. not using hd-disc was a dumb idea microsoft.
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Post by ripley on Nov 7, 2007 14:59:59 GMT -8
I find this thread very funny, although I'm shocked, I tell you I'm shocked at some of the entries but I'll live. Southall and Roger Feigelson need NO justification for critiques or CD releases. As McCrea said in Ride The High Country, they shall go to their Maker's House justified. I'm thrilled that I am NOT on Christian's ignore list at FSM. Whew! Michael, I'm prostrate over the fact that you don't like Morricone's spaghetti westerns. I'm calling a medic. "Clear!...Kaching!" Gotta a pulse....barely. (Okay, I'll live.) I struggle with some of North's scores. I like a few, but it is hard to connect with all of them. Herrmann seems to be an extremely beloved composer, but his signature sounds rarely connect with me. Adore 99% of Goldsmith, but I can't adore Legends. I'm actually starting to like Isham's score, as least those composed in the last two years. Might be a miracle. I own one Elfman score, Sommersby. No other connections there. I find Goldenthal and Thomas Newman's scores icy cold. Burrrrr. I like to stay warm. Everyone slam-dunked Horner's The Perfect Storm. I play it often, so there!! I own no Santaolla scores. Not sure I ever will. Badalamenti's score for Cousins is an unheralded, unnoticed magnificent score full of melody, anguish, and celebration.
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Post by General Silliness on Nov 7, 2007 15:16:13 GMT -8
i really enjoyed bayL s transformers, ignoring the fact that the story was dumber than a saturday morning cartoon.great job, writers.i am REALLY looking forward to the sequels. i would give away all of my collection to have a complete release of all shirley walker and team dc-superhero-scores. there so few even on bootlegs and promos. if horner fucks up avatar i will never buy a new score from him. lennertz simpsons score is by far superior to zimmers score (and i really like that one)
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Post by Kevin Smith on Nov 7, 2007 15:53:04 GMT -8
I think that most of you guys are geeks. Do you need 300-5000 CDs? No offense intended.
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