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Post by Carlton the Barbarian on Apr 11, 2006 16:44:14 GMT -8
Recently Armin and Yavar was writing about the overplayed 5th. A couple of days ago I was listening to it, and I wanted to know which is the best performance. I always liked the one performed by New York Philharmonic, conducted by Leonard Bernstein, but I still have to get the whole thing. So which one should I be getting. The 1st Movement on that "2001 " Film Music cd is atrocious and the version I was listening to recently wasn't much better....
-CG
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Post by Armin on Apr 11, 2006 23:13:19 GMT -8
Carlton, there are about 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 recordings of that piece, so I could never - in good conscience - tell you which one is the best, simply because I've maybe heard... 50? It depends on the orchestra, the conductor, the time it was recorded, the edition of the music they used. Too many things. What I dod recommend however is checking out the Hanover Band recordings on period instruments. Very interesting ad authentic.
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Post by Brendan Anderson on Apr 12, 2006 11:08:36 GMT -8
I'll actually echo Armin's recommendation of Beethoven's 5th as played by period instruments. I've got John Elliot Gardiner's recording with the orchestra made up of Beethoven-era strings (played with bows of that era as well), natrual horns, etc. It's really interesting to hear the comparison of this recording vs. a large modern orchetra like the NY Philharmonic. Maybe I'm just being a subconcious elitist, but to me the recording done on period instruments just sounds more "right"...it's great!
-Brendan
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Post by Armin on Apr 12, 2006 11:24:41 GMT -8
Is the Gardiner with the Academy of St. Martin in the Fields?
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Post by Brendan Anderson on Apr 12, 2006 11:36:10 GMT -8
No, it's with a period-instrument specific orchestra I believe...but definitely not St. Martin in the Fields. Check out the recording (I got it off iTunes, but Amazon lists it as an import in this case...weird): Beethoven 5 RecordingEvidently Gardiner recorded the whole set of Beethoven Symphonies with this group...reviews of the set are mixed, but favorable (most really like it, some don't like the tempo...it's a tad fast). -Brendan
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Post by Armin on Apr 12, 2006 13:10:08 GMT -8
Oh, the French orchestra. Orchestre Revolutionaire et Romantique. They are very good, but I have to say I like the Hanover Band more, with Roy Goodwin and Monica Huggett. They also did a complete set. The first horn is jsut outstanding. You should definately check out the Weber/Mozart Horn Concertos he plays (Anthony Halstead). Amazing.
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Post by Brendan Anderson on Apr 12, 2006 13:55:12 GMT -8
I will definitely check them out, thanks! I really like it when people create orchestras to the exact specifications of what the composer would have written for in his/her day...unfortunately many of these "period" performances often turn ugly from people who are either trying too hard or just frankly can't make those period instruments sound as they should. How are you at the natural horn? ;D
-Brendan
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Post by Carlton the Barbarian on Apr 12, 2006 19:33:02 GMT -8
Thanks for the suggestions. I hope the tempo is good...
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Post by Armin on Apr 12, 2006 23:08:07 GMT -8
I am doing fairly well. Actually I used to be quite good at it, but when I left college I didn't have an instrument any longer, so it's quite hard to keep up the level. If I feel crazy one of the next recordings I will do will be a natural horn piece. That'll be fun.
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Post by Joe Irvin on Apr 14, 2006 17:21:36 GMT -8
Hmmm...I thought you'd be talking about Vivaldi's Four Seasons....
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Post by Armin on Apr 14, 2006 23:29:14 GMT -8
Another overplayed and overrated piece.
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Post by sdtom on Apr 15, 2006 18:55:27 GMT -8
I of course have to insert my opinion in this. I have had liked, heard the recording on 78's, LP, Tape, and CD and truly enjoy the Toscanni version with the NBC Symphony Orchestra. He was a master conductor with a superb orchestra and it shows in this recording. Now the audio excellence is left to ones imagination. Tom
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Post by Armin on Apr 16, 2006 1:05:48 GMT -8
Toscanini, NBC and audio excellence... now there's 3 concepts that simply don't fit. Those must be the crappiest recordings in the history of classical music ever. Recorded off the air... I'd still like to know who got that idea.
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Post by sdtom on Apr 16, 2006 19:25:11 GMT -8
This is why I said left to one's imagination. You must just listen to the music and then ah!!! Tom
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Post by Armin on Apr 17, 2006 0:49:43 GMT -8
A good way to approach this stuff is to listen to it in a car stereo first. There one is already used to crappy quality.
The performances itself however, I completely agree, are outstanding.
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