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Dec 21, 2009 9:21:24 GMT -8
Post by Jon Broxton on Dec 21, 2009 9:21:24 GMT -8
My point, however, was that you can't judge a piece of art sight unseen based purely on ideals and principles. You should keep an open mind and give it the benefit of the doubt, even if you vehemently disagree with whatever it may stand for. For instance, I'd argue that both Triumph of the Will and Birth of a Nation are landmark films, despite the fact that I find much of their content reprehensible. There are things to appreciate in both of them. Agreed 100%. I remember watching Birth of a Nation on BBC2 years ago, as part of a 'landmark cinema' series, and found the film itself to be utterly repugnant... however, I was left in total awe of the fact that DW Griffith effectively invented modern cinematic language with that film. On that basis, it is an absolute masterpiece.
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Dec 21, 2009 9:34:40 GMT -8
Post by Jockolantern on Dec 21, 2009 9:34:40 GMT -8
Clearly that wasn't what I meant, though I do certainly appreciate the implication that I have no ideals and principles. Good lord, Jens, of course I didn't mean that. I went back and edited that particular sentence to bring its particular phrasing to a point where I thought it would be clear I wasn't inferring that about you in this particular discussion. I certainly do not know you well enough as a person to make such an intensively personal judgement. Though if you're going to take it as a compliment, go right ahead. Fair enough. Point conceded.
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Dec 21, 2009 12:33:26 GMT -8
Post by Jens Dietrich on Dec 21, 2009 12:33:26 GMT -8
Good lord, Jens, of course I didn't mean that. I went back and edited that particular sentence to bring its particular phrasing to a point where I thought it would be clear I wasn't inferring that about you in this particular discussion. I certainly do not know you well enough as a person to make such an intensively personal judgement. Oh... erm... I sorry I interpreted it that way. I must have been in a really crotchety mood at the time. But yeah, I do take it as a bit of a compliment, I guess. ;D
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Dec 21, 2009 15:33:44 GMT -8
Post by Hermione on Dec 21, 2009 15:33:44 GMT -8
Saw Avatar in 3-D today and enjoyed it quite a bit. Although the overall story line was quite familiar and predictable, it was carried out amazingly.
The only part of the score that took me out of the movie a bit was aprt of the theme from "Glory" that kept popping up (which I started noticing more and more toward the end)!
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Dec 21, 2009 17:36:12 GMT -8
Post by Kevin Smith on Dec 21, 2009 17:36:12 GMT -8
"But you only know that about Wall-E because you gave it a chance".
That's different, we knew Wall-E was going to be great/fantastic because it's Pixar. I know he was going to see it anyway whatever the message was going to be.
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Dec 21, 2009 18:08:13 GMT -8
Post by Joseph Bat on Dec 21, 2009 18:08:13 GMT -8
Wall-E was BOR-ING.
Joe
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Dec 21, 2009 18:10:14 GMT -8
Post by Jon Broxton on Dec 21, 2009 18:10:14 GMT -8
I loved it.
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Dec 21, 2009 18:13:16 GMT -8
Post by Kevin Smith on Dec 21, 2009 18:13:16 GMT -8
Political messages in movies don't really matter because people are willing to accept political messages in film, or at least ignore them, or forget them altogether. Look at Star Trek IV, were the whales saved or did people care as much about the whales after the film was made? Not really. Probably the bigger problem is political messages targeted at children.
People will never be completely changed by a movie. I can honestly say no one movie changed my life. Anyone who does say that, is either crazy or lying.
Seriously, if people took movie messages/morals to heart, society would be totally different than what it is right now.
I hate to make this argument but if people wanted to be taught something from a movie or see something intellectual, they would not go at all. Look at the success of movies like Transformers and such. Look at how Jerry Bruckheimer is rich, and great intellectual movies like Master and Commander: Far Side of the World bomb at the box office.
I am sure if you asked people after a movie, I'm sure that 90% of them would not care about the movie's message, it just keeps them occupied for two hours of their miserable lives.
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Dec 21, 2009 20:49:10 GMT -8
Post by cheno on Dec 21, 2009 20:49:10 GMT -8
I went to see it. It was sold out. So I saw The Hurt Locker. Amazing.
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Dec 22, 2009 2:25:05 GMT -8
Post by Jockolantern on Dec 22, 2009 2:25:05 GMT -8
That statement makes me sad. WALL-E is definitely among my very favorite Pixar films.
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Dec 22, 2009 11:56:59 GMT -8
Post by General Silliness on Dec 22, 2009 11:56:59 GMT -8
must be the australian version.
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Dec 22, 2009 15:55:00 GMT -8
Post by Joseph Bat on Dec 22, 2009 15:55:00 GMT -8
must be the australian version. Nope.
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Dec 23, 2009 12:12:37 GMT -8
Post by General Silliness on Dec 23, 2009 12:12:37 GMT -8
must be the australian version. Nope. there´s no need to answer my stupid jokes.
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Dec 24, 2009 7:04:39 GMT -8
Post by Hook on Dec 24, 2009 7:04:39 GMT -8
I went to see it. It was sold out. So I saw The Hurt Locker. Amazing. Your contribution to cinema is very much appreciated. Also, I don't care how many actual Iraq war soldiers complain about the film's accuracy on Reddit, it still kicks butt as a movie. Those last footsteps in "The Hurt Locker" will remain burned into my mind along with several scenes from other gut-displacing movies. I hate to make this argument but if people wanted to be taught something from a movie or see something intellectual, they would not go at all. Look at the success of movies like Transformers and such. Look at how Jerry Bruckheimer is rich, and great intellectual movies like Master and Commander: Far Side of the World bomb at the box office. It's people like you that make people unlike you not like what people like me like. Since when is "Master and Commander" an intellectual movie? Fucking awesome is what it is and I bet a good chunk of the Transformers audience would agree if forced to sit down and look at it.
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Dec 24, 2009 16:33:24 GMT -8
Post by cheno on Dec 24, 2009 16:33:24 GMT -8
It's people like you that make people unlike you not like what people like me like. You are a poet.
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